US destabilizing peace .... once again

[scarface]

As some of you know, the US wants to build missile shields all over Europe, the reason being to protect itself from nuclear missiles fired from rival countries like Iran.

However Russia is not comfortable at all with these missile shields in Europe because they see feel at a disadvantage.

Therefore Russia has decided that it will point its missiles towards Europe. Targets will be chosen by the military and missiles could be ballistic or cruise.


Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6717119.stm)

[filthy hippie]

as long as no one blows anyone up (excl the arabs and their uncontrollable world) who cares?

[Stewwi]

Originally posted by lectric
as long as no one blows anyone up (excl the arabs and their uncontrollable world) who cares?


cos when the first missile goes off. all of them will

[FrodoLives]

jericho? :confused:

hallina mic cajt... li kiku ridu w kollox bi treats li ilom jamlu lil xulxin ila li faqat xhaga. I hope this will be something which passes away like others still it was a disappointing move from US defening it's SELF using europe

[Drowen]

dan nies ma jfiqu qatt... jaqilaw l-inkwiet al buzz. bleh, taqta qalbek li xi darba jkun aw il-paci....

[johnmaclane]

the interceptor system will not just protect the US but even europei dont see how the US is destabilizing anything because the so called shield doesn't do much to Russian ICBM's and could only help in disturbing rudimentary systems...

also this shield as wrongly depicted here has nothing to do with American nor Israeli defense.. as they both posses national interceptors...

so a post like this

the reason being to protect itself from nuclear missiles fired from rival countries like Iran.

are not fair and are nothing claims that US bashers come up with.

[John Van Helt]

Originally posted by FrodoLives
jericho?

anka jien dik l-ewwel haga li addhietli minn mohhi
issa zomm imma.... jien ma fimtx... ghalfejn ir-Russja thossa at a disadvantage? u ghalfejn mbad tittargetja lill-ewropa lol? i mean, just because thossa disadvantaged alluwra tehel l-ewropa maghha? wdf?!

[FrodoLives]

imma sten allura.. jekk fkaz li vera ha jitargetjaw lilna u US jamli sshield we dont have to panic then i suppose

[scarface]

Russia feels at a disadvantage because the missile shields at Europe, makes it more geographically reached. There is a difference firing a missiling from the US, and firing a missile from Europe.

Why Europe should be concerned?

Whilst you may think that the missile shields are protective, Russia has developed missiles undetectable by such missile shields that have a range of 5500km.


The reason that Russia is targeting Europe, is because if the US uses EU as a military base, then their first strategic targets would be the military ones, in case of war.

[johnmaclane]

Originally posted by scarface
Russia feels at a disadvantage because the missile shields at Europe, makes it more geographically reached. There is a difference firing a missiling from the US, and firing a missile from Europe.

Why Europe should be concerned?

Whilst you may think that the missile shields are protective, Russia has developed missiles undetectable by such missile shields that have a range of 5500km.


The reason that Russia is targeting Europe, is because if the US uses EU as a military base, then their first strategic targets would be the military ones, in case of war.

the system has been tested many times and is known to be not that effective...is just a baseline defense... nothing massive like the SDI (which the US should have completed instead of this crap).

your point about being geographically reached doesnt real hold water... russia is already and has been geographically reached since the cold war... from the jupiters in turkey to the many airbases in europe to the US navy to the french and english missiles...

the only reason russia is mad is because ex soviet satellites are suddenly getting real pissed with russia and are seeing nato real good.. why are they so mad? because putin and his group of people have been raising gas prices for their ex "allies" forcing these countries to seek help from the west and therefore russia is losing its sphere of influence...

and your last part of the post is more political propaganda.. there have been US bases in europe since 1945.. why? to protect europe from the massive red army which was poised to destroy us, the same reason NATO was created..

now new eastern countries are entering NATO, so obviously there has to be a reevaluation of the strategic scene...

these interceptors could have been installed in italy and germany for all russia knows.. its real mad cuz its in poland and the Czech republic, its also pissed off cuz countries like Georgia are joining NATO...

issa my personal take is that this system for europe is not practical, if i was the US i wouldn't install it in europe because its a waste of money.. if they want to protect the globe they should have completed the SDI, then that would have been the end of the nuclear threat.

[Corrosion]

Sometimes I really think that one day the world will just end up like that in Kenshiro.... all of these missiles 'to defend' don' t fit me well. Someone is just trying to get control. Why do they have to fight anyways... it's already a short lifespan. Why shorten it more :/

[Avaloner]

Footage of proposed missiles in action (http://www.tripletsandus.com/80s/80s_games/missilecommand.htm)

[D_SINNER]

the US suffers heavily from SDS (Small Dick Syndrome), hence they have to compensate with shitloads of missiles.

[Exclusive]

Originally posted by Avaloner
Footage of proposed missiles in action (http://www.tripletsandus.com/80s/80s_games/missilecommand.htm)

lol xD

back to topic, this shit looks really serious, i mean America is building a defence base in poland & Czech Republic;, Russia aiming nuclear warheads @ Europe, as they called it 'the new target', and Iran developing the Shahab-4, with a range between 1,200 to 1,900 miles, hence it goes far enough to hit Europe in any circumstance.

are we living in a missile-playing ground or what? lol

[sphinx042]

Originally posted by Exclusive
lol xD

back to topic, this shit looks really serious, i mean America is building a defence base in poland & Czech Republic;, Russia aiming nuclear warheads @ Europe, as they called it 'the new target', and Iran developing the Shahab-4, with a range between 1,200 to 1,900 miles, hence it goes far enough to hit Europe in any circumstance.

are we living in a missile-playing ground or what? lol

you forgot North Korea... they claim to have 6 nuclear warheads with an amazing range!

[Exclusive]

Originally posted by sphinx042
you forgot North Korea... they claim to have 6 nuclear warheads with an amazing range!

ouch :hmm:

[John Van Helt]

this is kinDa scary
jien veru ma nifhimx
imma minn meta russia and us regaw "miggildin"?
naf biha il-cold war lol.... imma afaik kienu irrangaw le? minn meta regghu ekk?

[Exclusive]

Originally posted by John Van Helt
this is kinDa scary
jien veru ma nifhimx
imma minn meta russia and us regaw "miggildin"?
naf biha il-cold war lol.... imma afaik kienu irrangaw le? minn meta regghu ekk?

its usa who are stating that they will be building a radar & defences missiles in Poland & Europe, so as to be safe from any Iranian threat.

Then Mr. Putin decided to balance the strategy of Europe and build & test new warheads, and aiming them at Europe so as to be safe from the American missiles :S

[FrodoLives]

afaik russia and the US never re-made "peace" things only went more dark because of the fall of communisim. After also Mr old president Boris Yelsten used to cover up anyhting serious in russia by one of his "paprati"

Now things changed US tried to get oil and money fromm the middle east whilst having trouble with Korea and building the shield in the eu, well isnt that closing up russia?

for now we must hope it's only poilitics

More news (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6717927.stm)

[johnmaclane]

i dont get the panic... im sure russian ICBMS already had european targets and its nothing but political fanning about...

[PeR0XiDe]

I think the SDI wasn't really developed because people are "happy" with the MAD doctrine, and see the SDI as more of an initiation of a possible nuclear launch from the side having SDI (even though it may be worth mentioning that the U.S. had told Russia that they too would have SDI).

And yeah prolly Russia had EU targets before, and they're mentioning it now to try to persuade the E.U. to not allow U.S. gain influence in the EU region.

[FrodoLives]

Originally posted by PeR0XiDe
to try to persuade the E.U. to not allow U.S. gain influence in the EU region.

yep makes much sens

[johnmaclane]

if a country had to have a working SDI system the political scene would change immensely... that country would have absolute ballistic and space dominion.

how a wish bush senior hadnt pulled the plug on the program, maybe today there would be no nuke race and only one nuclear capable nation.

[filthy hippie]

they pulled the plug on the programs so that everyone would stop producing.
if they have programs they will try to develop icbms that can by-pass them therefore they will be a race for more advanced nukes anyway. right now they are accurate enough and apart from more range and not much has to happen. its not worth developing extreme high tech icbms anymore,

MAD is the best deterrent, i dont really see why anyone needs to fight anymore, most of the mad insane and manical leaders pop up in those arab countries and those specific countries are often not much of a treat should US or any given super power focus everything on them.

[johnmaclane]

SDI is not an ICBM program...

first off the US has shiftet from ground based delivery systems and is based more on naval and air delivery...

second SDI or strategic defense initiative was to be a space based missile interceptor with multiple orbital platforms armed with lasers or other weapons to be invented..

in fact early results were stunning with some serious pieces of machinery being invented..

had there been the political will and the money after the cold war im pretty sure the system would have become operational

[scarface]

Nato condemns Putin missile vow


Russia's threat to aim weapons at Europe if the US sets up a missile defence shield there was "unhelpful and unwelcome", Nato has said.

[ki||fr0g]

What's with the US trying to protect the EU? we can protect oursleves afaik.

Also Iran does not have missiles that reach Western Europe, let alone the USA. They're years away from having something tangible.

Putin is an asshole anyway, and Russia is losing its grip on former Soviet states. That's what this is all about.

[Stewwi]

and besides if i was in iran and wanted to obliterate the US i would pass my babies through russia not europe to save on fuel costs :rolleyes:

[johnmaclane]

we can protect oursleves afaik.

i wouldnt be so sure.. after all europe has been spoon fed with US defences for more then 50 years..

im thinking in departments such as navy and air force Europe must be much weaker then the US presence in the continent

[scarface]

John, while your arguments do make sense ,

why didn't the US build the shield before when they were so convinced Saddam had nuclear weapons ?

I cannot really blame Putin, because Iran so far is not threat, coz it would take them another 3 to 8 years to develop a nuclear weapon, and the NK situation has been dealth with afaik. Then who is the threat????? Who are the missile shields for ?

By Europe accepting missile shields on its base, wouldn't it be making unnecessary alliance with the US ?

[yancho]

Originally posted by sphinx042
you forgot North Korea... they claim to have 6 nuclear warheads with an amazing range!

their targets are south korea and japan .. always been :) though usa is hurt more then enough if south korea is attacked ;)

[johnmaclane]

Originally posted by scarface
John, while your arguments do make sense ,

why didn't the US build the shield before when they were so convinced Saddam had nuclear weapons ?

I cannot really blame Putin, because Iran so far is not threat, coz it would take them another 3 to 8 years to develop a nuclear weapon, and the NK situation has been dealth with afaik. Then who is the threat????? Who are the missile shields for ?

By Europe accepting missile shields on its base, wouldn't it be making unnecessary alliance with the US ?

the shield like all programs takes years to develop, there is a very long test period (all public) and it wasnt ready in 2003, .... odds are if it wasnt for poland and the czechs welcoming the shield it would have been constructed in other allies states...

this is really no biggie.. its pissing off russia cuz these countries which the shield is gonna be placed were ex commie friends..

regarding saddam, bush never said he had an atomic deterrent.. i never racall that if anything he had programs..

apart from the fact that the programs in iran can be accelerated.. i dont see why europe shouldnt have a missile shield.. it could potentially save millions of lives...

and dont come about saying how "putin is aiming his missiles on europe"

because probably they are already pointed at us like they have been since russia got the bomb.

and that "unnecessary alliance" like you call it is called NATO and its not unnecessary.. i cant believe the words your speaking.. poison man, its people like you that make europe look like an ingrate to the US.

[scarface]

Originally posted by johnmaclane

and that "unnecessary alliance" like you call it is called NATO and its not unnecessary.. i cant believe the words your speaking.. poison man, its people like you that make europe look like an ingrate to the US.

when im talking about the unnecessary alliance im talking from history man.

Look at the Madrid bombings and the lives lost!

If Iran attacks any european state who can blame it now ??????

[PeR0XiDe]

Originally posted by scarface
when im talking about the unnecessary alliance im talking from history man.

speaking of history, would you call the U.S allying itself with the non-nazi europe also unnecessary?

[PostmortemMT]

And Starcraft 2 was announced just a few days ago lol. Ironic.

All this stuff is reminding me in an article I had read regarding Nostradamus' vision of World War 3. The beginning of the vision was similair to the current dillema (obviously take all this with a pinch of salt). Would suck big time though if we had another World War. I feel we're still recovering from the last one.

[johnmaclane]

Originally posted by scarface
when im talking about the unnecessary alliance im talking from history man.

Look at the Madrid bombings and the lives lost!

If Iran attacks any european state who can blame it now ??????

people like you weren't bitching when the red army was knocking at our door ay?

what does the shield have to do with the madrid bombings?..

Iran is not capable of attacking europe.. the ony kill it wants to take is Israel which if it tries iran will be obliterated

the shield doesnt do anything to disrupt the current balance.

[scarface]

Originally posted by PeR0XiDe
speaking of history, would you call the U.S allying itself with the non-nazi europe also unnecessary?

nirragunaw perox, minix nghid history ta zmien alla jiena,

jien qed nghid history in the current situation.

the Madrid bombings could have easily been evaded if Spain minded their own business.

and so is the case here. If Europe is going to help the US, Europe will be much more vulnerable to being attacked, and I won't blame the attackers.

[scarface]

Originally posted by johnmaclane
people like you weren't bitching when the red army was knocking at our door ay?

what does the shield have to do with the madrid bombings?..

Iran is not capable of attacking europe.. the ony kill it wants to take is Israel which if it tries iran will be obliterated

the shield doesnt do anything to disrupt the current balance.

the shield is part of the war with Iran.

[johnmaclane]

Originally posted by scarface
the shield is part of the war with Iran.

there is no war going on right now with iran..

madrid had nothing to do with iran..


your argument is going haywire talking about everything with little relevance to the topic posted... aka

the shield

the Madrid bombings could have easily been evaded if Spain minded their own business.

lol germany didnt send any troops but there were attacks planned.. dude these people dont give a shit, they hate us and our way of life..

with your kind of dismissive policy we wouldn't get things done in the globe..

[|arK]

Originally posted by johnmaclane

lol germany didnt send any troops but there were attacks planned.. dude these people dont give a shit, they hate us and our way of life..




I agree with this point. I' remembering the bombings on a newspaper office just coz of a couple of comic strips.

I find it very difficult to agree with someone who's argument is 'I dont blame the attacker'

It seems to me that whatever happens in the world you have to blame the US.

Most probably if the US decided to place shields only in their territory you would have called them egoists for protecting only themselves lol

[scarface]

Originally posted by johnmaclane
there is no war going on right now with iran..

madrid had nothing to do with iran..


your argument is going haywire talking about everything with little relevance to the topic posted... aka

the shield



lol germany didnt send any troops but there were attacks planned.. dude these people dont give a shit, they hate us and our way of life..

with your kind of dismissive policy we wouldn't get things done in the globe..


lol no war with iran????????

just because people are not dying does not mean there is no war.

if you follow every move both by the US and by Iran, it would ridiculous to deny war. but im sure that you follow so there is no need to explain further.


regarding the attacks in germany, i remember that there was a cause, but i can't remember. ill get back later on this point.

[PeR0XiDe]

Originally posted by |arK

Most probably if the US decided to place shields only in their territory you would have called them egoists for protecting only themselves lol lol good point.

Also, really Scarface, do you actually believe that only now are Russia pointing their ICBMs at us? You think they didn't consider any targets before this?

[scarface]

Originally posted by |arK
I agree with this point. I' remembering the bombings on a newspaper office just coz of a couple of comic strips.

I find it very difficult to agree with someone who's argument is 'I dont blame the attacker'

It seems to me that whatever happens in the world you have to blame the US.

Most probably if the US decided to place shields only in their territory you would have called them egoists for protecting only themselves lol

it dejjem l-istess frazi tghid "It seems to me that whatever happens in the world you have to blame the US."

lol ghid xi haga allinqas related mat topic, allinqas jien andi ragunijiet tiei aliex il-US ntihom tort f hafna affarijiet .... sal-lum stess look at this piece of news

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has criticised President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela for refusing to renew the licence of an opposition TV channel.

Ms Rice said the closure of Radio Caracas TV (RCTV) was "undemocratic" and called for the Organization of American States (OAS) to investigate.

Venezuela's foreign minister accused the US of meddling in its affairs.

Demonstrations against and in favour of the move have occurred almost daily in Venezuela since RCTV closed on 27 May.

f kollox iridu jizzattu u jaqalghu l-polemiki !

[Drowen]

Originally posted by |arK
Most probably if the US decided to place shields only in their territory you would have called them egoists for protecting only themselves lol

egoisti?? l-ewropa xanda xtaqsam mal-gwerer? alfej andna najdulom egoisti? huma andom bzonn jidefendu lilom nfusna, ahna le, ax mandna lebda gwerra...

egoisti xej man. jridux jibnu kollox ma ****om u ma jdefsuna fxej...

[johnmaclane]

lol no war with iran????????

there is tension but no war...

if there was war this problem would be finished in 4 weeks.


f kollox iridu jizzattu u jaqalghu l-polemiki !

this is obvious ay, hugo chaves has openly called US names and is nationalising all civil property possibly damaging US interests.. turning the country into a dictatorship is the US business.. i think we can all agree that on this call condolizza is damn right..

last thing we need is another commie bastard with too much oil.

l-ewropa xanda xtaqsam mal-gwerer

your joking ay? most relevant wars have always been european messes which the US tried to straighten out.

shit 3/4ths of the worlds problems today can be linked to 3 countries, england, germany and france.

(ex ww2, Vietnam etc)

jridux jibnu kollox ma ****om u ma jdefsuna fxej.

they already have a mainland missile defense system and are extending this safety feature that could save millions to europe, plus most of europe is in NATO (well i wish we were too)

[|arK]

I really dont see the point in these discussions anymore, we're simple 'peasants' which if lucky only know a third of the whole stroy.


It would be naeive to think that we are shown everything which is going on.

But on the point of building missile defences in europe, I find no objection and honestly I see Russia to be the one who's provoking problems in this case

[Drowen]

ok... so we're allowing USA to defend itself from IRAN. We are indirectly HELPING usa.... so yes, we might get blown... like UK and Spain got when they helped USA... jew nsejtu :rolleyes:

[ki||fr0g]

i say no to missiles in the EU, bad idea, and we'll end up in the middle

Most of this will hopefully be over when Bush is replaced. God what an awful president

[scarface]

Bush signals missile shield to go ahead

GDANSK, Poland (Reuters) - President George W. Bush thanked Poland on Friday for being ready to host the U.S. missile shield and sent a clear signal he would not scrap the plan in the face of an alternative offer from Russia.

Bush, making a whistle stop in Poland after attending the Group of Eight meeting in Germany, met Polish President Lech Kaczynski to discuss missile defense and Russia's vehement opposition to its positioning in Moscow's former backyard in central Europe.

"First let me say I appreciate the support for the deployment of the missile defense interceptors here in Poland," Bush told a joint briefing with Kaczynski.

Washington has been negotiating to place 10 interceptors in Poland and a radar in another ex-Soviet satellite, the Czech Republic, as the European part of a global system to counter the threat of a nuclear attack from "rogue" states such as Iran.

A skeptical Russia sees the project as undermining its own security and President Vladimir Putin has threatened to revert to the Cold War practice of targeting Russian missiles on Europe if the plan goes ahead.

Upping the ante, Putin made a surprise offer on Thursday to let the United States use a Russian-controlled radar in Azerbaijan to detect any threats from the Middle East.

[filthy hippie]

Originally posted by scarface


Upping the ante, Putin made a surprise offer on Thursday to let the United States use a Russian-controlled radar in Azerbaijan to detect any threats from the Middle East.
like he hasnt realised yet that this is not just to deter threats from the middle east.
he should have known that this is just another reason to increase their assests.