[sports] stretching bad for you

[filthy hippie]

http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=8563.from1181916561;topicseen#msg1 09361

well it has been proven.

any comments on this tradition breakign statement?

[Pawlu]

link not working

ifem, i don't stretch but i walk abit before i jog to get my heart started, never had any problems

[filthy hippie]

:S link works.
to you i dont think it would make a difference, it will effect people who require top performance every time

[Beodevil]

Doesn't work for me either.

[LordMagic]

link says

"The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."

or in leetspeak...

"You're too l33t for this stuff"

[DavE]

p.s. trid tkun registered

[Dragunu]

Originally posted by lectric
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=8563.from1181916561;topicseen#msg1 09361

well it has been proven.

any comments on this tradition breakign statement?

if ure into jogging or high kicks or gymnastings nahseb ikollok idea zbaljata. anyway enjoy walking with ur arms wide open as if ure holding a football under ur armpits.

[GeneralOneBall]

the only thing i know is you shouldn't stretch when yor muscles are cold, first warm up then stretch,

[filthy hippie]

Thanks to axestream:


Stretching decreases muscle strength and power

Muscular Development, July 2007:

Until recently, most experts recommended that people stretch before exercise. However, there is no proof that pre-exercise stretching prevents injury. In fact, some studies show that stretching before exercise decreases muscle strength and power, impairs some types of motor performance and may actually increase the risk of injury. Many recent studies found that static stretching (stretch and hold) decreases muscle strength around a single joint during dynamic or static muscle contractions. One study found that stretching only 5 minutes decreased strength and power in the thigh muscles for 2 hours.

Yet, many athletes and active people continue to stretch before practice or competition. Researchers from the Appalachian State University in Boone, North Carolina found that static stretching decreased force output during single and and multiple-joint muscle contractions.

The take-home message is simple and important: Don't do static stretches before lifting weights or participating in athletics or exercises requiring strength and power. Dynamic warm-ups involving the specific movements used in the activity are more effective and will not decrease performance.

(Scandinavian Journal Medicine Science Sports, 17:54-60, 2007)



sorry forgot bout the registration

[filthy hippie]

Originally posted by Dragunu
if ure into jogging or high kicks or gymnastings nahseb ikollok idea zbaljata. anyway enjoy walking with ur arms wide open as if ure holding a football under ur armpits.

eh?

[Dragunu]

Originally posted by lectric
Thanks to axestream:


Stretching decreases muscle strength and power

Muscular Development, July 2007:

Until recently, most experts recommended that people stretch before exercise. However, there is no proof that pre-exercise stretching prevents injury. In fact, some studies show that stretching before exercise decreases muscle strength and power, impairs some types of motor performance and may actually increase the risk of injury. Many recent studies found that static stretching (stretch and hold) decreases muscle strength around a single joint during dynamic or static muscle contractions. One study found that stretching only 5 minutes decreased strength and power in the thigh muscles for 2 hours.

Yet, many athletes and active people continue to stretch before practice or competition. Researchers from the Appalachian State University in Boone, North Carolina found that static stretching decreased force output during single and and multiple-joint muscle contractions.

The take-home message is simple and important: Don't do static stretches before lifting weights or participating in athletics or exercises requiring strength and power. Dynamic warm-ups involving the specific movements used in the activity are more effective and will not decrease performance.

(Scandinavian Journal Medicine Science Sports, 17:54-60, 2007)



sorry forgot bout the registration

hmm ok. Mr.Scientist convinced me then. Avolja meta nitlaq listretching dejjem jinqala muscular pain. Imma mr.Scientist said so!

thx lectric!
:clap:

[filthy hippie]

Originally posted by Dragunu
hmm ok. Mr.Scientist convinced me then. Avolja meta nitlaq listretching dejjem jinqala muscular pain. Imma mr.Scientist said so!

thx lectric!
:clap:
if you notice or acctualy read it will
it says

Don't do static stretches before lifting weights or participating in athletics or exercises requiring strength and power

emphasis on statis stretches.

then we have

Dynamic warm-ups involving the specific movements used in the activity are more effective and will not decrease performance.

so he bascially static stretching is not good when compared to for example doing a very light set of weights before doing a heavy one.
this is against static stretching not stretching.

Read it, then understand it, dont just read it

and this in no way makes reference to flexability, in which stretching is probibly one of the things needed to be done.

[D|s]

i guess it makes sense that if u require 100% strength you shouldnt use some of it in stretching, however i believe a little warm up is helpful if not essential just to get those joints workin well lol

nice find =)

[filthy hippie]

Originally posted by D|s
i guess it makes sense that if u require 100% strength you shouldnt use some of it in stretching, however i believe a little warm up is helpful if not essential just to get those joints workin well lol

nice find =)
yes that why he said warm up with the movements required

[G-lock]

ma nafx jien imma stretching prior to a workout in the gym or any other excercise prevents stretch marks , warms up the body slightly .
when i used to go to the gym regularly we used to stretch every major body part , then 5-10 mins on the cycling machine before going for the heavy stuff .

i dont have stretch marks on my thighs/biseps/underarms so i guess i wasnt doing anything wrong .

[netman007]

Originally posted by G-lock
ma nafx jien imma stretching prior to a workout in the gym or any other excercise prevents stretch marks , warms up the body slightly .
when i used to go to the gym regularly we used to stretch every major body part , then 5-10 mins on the cycling machine before going for the heavy stuff .

i dont have stretch marks on my thighs/biseps/underarms so i guess i wasnt doing anything wrong .

The article is not about strecthing, its about people doing the famous stretching they teach you, in a P.E. class. He is emphasising, li its better to do an exercise with very light weights, before doing the prior exercise. Those movements will serve as "stretching and warmup" to the muscle one is going to target in that specific exercise. A lot of people go heavy on first go, that is bad for the muscles.

The warmup sessions you mentioned g-lock are for the heart and lungs, because weight training, doesnt "boost" the heart and lungs, and would create stress on the heart, if you go on a heavy lifting session,withouth preparing the heart and lungs for the "battle".

[filthy hippie]

Originally posted by G-lock
ma nafx jien imma stretching prior to a workout in the gym or any other excercise prevents stretch marks , warms up the body slightly .
when i used to go to the gym regularly we used to stretch every major body part , then 5-10 mins on the cycling machine before going for the heavy stuff .

i dont have stretch marks on my thighs/biseps/underarms so i guess i wasnt doing anything wrong .

stretch marks? i think stretch maarks come form ths fascia or however you spell it, in that case logically it makes sense, stretch the fascia(holds the muscle, the muscle keeps its shape with it) and you prevent stretch marks. but i afaik stretch marks go away after a while and its not very common

[G-lock]

stretch marks come when the muscle grows faster than the skin resulting in tearing the skin to adjust to the size . most bodybuilders get them because they dont stretch properly prior to a workout . pregnant women get them too ..

[LordMagic]

Originally posted by G-lock
stretch marks come when the muscle grows faster than the skin resulting in tearing the skin to adjust to the size . most bodybuilders get them because they dont stretch properly prior to a workout . pregnant women get them too ..

I agree with the last fact...

Been there, seen it :D

[filthy hippie]

Originally posted by G-lock
stretch marks come when the muscle grows faster than the skin resulting in tearing the skin to adjust to the size . most bodybuilders get them because they dont stretch properly prior to a workout . pregnant women get them too ..

it effects bbers who put on muscle and/or fat to quickly but luckily enough tans reduce their visidbility to 0 and no i wouldnt bet on stertching to prevent stretch marks, it wasnt mentioned whilst i was researching it

[G-lock]

well no im not a fitness instructor but i was told once that stretching prior to a workout and 5 min on the bike will warm up and elasticate the skin before training . it could be a shit load of bollocks but it worked for me . oh and i have a little hair on my chest im not the oil smearing , hair shaving type .

[filthy hippie]

Originally posted by G-lock
well no im not a fitness instructor but i was told once that stretching prior to a workout and 5 min on the bike will warm up and elasticate the skin before training . it could be a shit load of bollocks but it worked for me . oh and i have a little hair on my chest im not the oil smearing , hair shaving type .

correct me if i am wrong but i think that in the short run skin will always have the same elasticity.

some pple dont do warm ups or anything and for them to simply pull a muscle they have to be lifting trucks. some pple could spend 24 warming up then as soon as they switch on the thread mill they need a knee operation. it could be your so robust or that your the sporty physical kind and that you always had a sturdy overall health level. or it could be as you said

[PeR0XiDe]

Afaik the article lectric mentioned is mentioning disadvantages related to stretching, and not to warming up, which a lot of people here seem to be confusing, and which are 2 different things.

There's nothing wrong with warming up before exerceise, but there has been research about possible detrimental effects associated with stretching.

[Dragunu]

Originally posted by PeR0XiDe
Afaik the article lectric mentioned is mentioning disadvantages related to stretching, and not to warming up, which a lot of people here seem to be confusing, and which are 2 different things.

There's nothing wrong with warming up before exerceise, but there has been research about possible detrimental effects associated with stretching.

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